22/1 WHO is God?

[Eliyahu]

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Who is the God of Israel? The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Christianity is in great confusion about this, a confusion also caused
by bad Bible translations.
In almost all Bible translations the four lettered name of God, which
appears in the OT almost 7000 times, is not written, but replaced with
"the LORD".

But here are the Biblical texts which indicate who is the God of
Israel, in which the letters of the name of God are written, just like
in the original Hebrew:

Nehemiah 9:7 "You are Y-H-W-H God, who chose Abram and brought him out
of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham."

Exodus 29:46 "They will know that I am Y-H-W-H their God, who
brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am
Y-H-W-H their God."

Numbers 15:41 "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt to
be your God. I am Y-H-W-H your God."

Deuteronomy 10:20-21 "Fear Y-H-W-H your God and serve him. Hold fast
to him and take your oaths in his name. He is your praise; he is your
God, who performed for you those great and awesome wonders you saw
with your own eyes."

Joshua 24:18 "And Y-H-W-H drove out before us all the nations,
including the Amorites, who lived in the land. We too will serve
Y-H-W-H , because he is our God."

II Samuel 22:32 "For who is God besides Y-H-W-H ? And who is the Rock
except our God?"

I Chronicles 16:14 "He is Y-H-W-H our God."

II Chronicles 13:10 "As for us, Y-H-W-H is our God, and we have not
forsaken him."
Psalm 31:14 "But I trust in you, O Y-H-W-H; I say, You are my God."

Psalm 89:7 "For who in the skies above can compare with Y-H-W-H? Who
is like Y-H-W-H among the heavenly beings?"

Psalm 91:2 "I will say of Y-H-W-H, "He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust."

Psalm 100:3 "Know that Y-H-W-H is God. It is he who made us, and we
are his."

Psalm 105:7 "He is Y-H-W-H our God; his judgments are in all the
earth."

Psalm 118:27 "Y-H-W-H is God, and he has made his light shine upon
us."

Psalm 140:6 "O Y-H-W-H, I say to you: You are my God."

Jesaja 25:1 "O Y-H-W-H, you are my God;"

Jesaja 41:13 "For I am Y-H-W-H your God, who takes hold of your right
hand and says to you: Do not fear; I will help you."

Jesaja 43:3 "For I am Y-H-W-H your God, the Holy One of Israel,
your Savior;"

Jesaja 51:15 "For I am Y-H-W-H your God, who churns up the sea so
that its waves roar- Y-H-W-H Almighty is his name"

Jeremiah 3:22-23 "Yes, we will come to you, for you are Y-H-W-H our
God."

Jeremiah 10:10 "But Y-H-W-H is the true God; he is the living God,
the eternal King."

Jeremiah 31:18 "Restore me, and I will return, because you are
Y-H-W-H my God."

Habakkuk 1:12 "O Y-H-W-H, are you not from everlasting? My God, my
Holy One, we will not die"



And is there, besides this God Y-H-W-H, another God?



Deuteronomy 4:35 "You were shown these things so that you might know
that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other."

Deuteronomy 4:39 "Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H
is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other."

II Samuel 7:22 "How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no
one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our
own ears."

I Kings 8:59-60 "so that all the peoples of the earth may know that
Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other."

I Chronicles 17:20 ""There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there
is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears."

II Chronicles 6:14 "O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like
you in heaven or on earth."

Nehemia 9:6 "You alone are Y-H-W-H."

Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant
whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand
that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after
me."

Isaiah 44:6 ""This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer,
Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; and apart from me
there is no God."

Isaiah 45:5-6 "I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me
there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not
acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of
its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am Y-H-W-H , and
there is no other."

Isaiah 45:21-23 "Declare what is to be, present it- let them take
counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the
distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from
me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. "Turn to me
and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no
other."

Joel 2:27 "Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H
your God, and that there is no other;"


Exodus 20:1-3 "And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God,
who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL
HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME!"



Eliyahu.

"All the nations may walk in the name of their gods; but we will walk
in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

[Alan Connor]

On 21 Jan 2004 16:36:28 -0800, Eliyahu <***@Hotmail.com> wrote:

God is not a "who". A "who" is a human being. God is an *It*.


AC

[Alexander Arnakis]

Post by Alan Connor
God is not a "who". A "who" is a human being. God is an *It*.

That can't be. "It" implies a neuter and inanimate object. God is not
an object; nor is God a person. God's above all that. God is God.

[Alan Connor]

Post by Alexander Arnakis

Post by Alan Connor
God is not a "who". A "who" is a human being. God is an *It*.

That can't be. "It" implies a neuter and inanimate object. God is not
an object; nor is God a person. God's above all that. God is God.

Only arrogant and ignorant human beings consider something that isn't like
them, that has no distinct sex or life such as they have to be without worth or
sentience.

Get your mind off your dick, for Christ's sake!

And drop this nonsense about humanity being the standard by which all of
Creation is measured. It isn't.

"It" (capitalized) is the perfect and ONLY available pronoun to describe God
in the English language.

And God is not "above" anything. You are anthropomorphizing once again.
Concepts of superiority and inferiority are the concepts of ignorant
people.

How can that which is a part of, and composed of, EVERYTHING, be above
anything?

God is not aware of every sparrow that falls for It's amusement, It cares
as much for that sparrow as it does for people.

You aren't relying on the Bible for your ideas of what God is, I hope.
What you will find there are descriptions of the god that man made, not
the God that made everything, with man being ONE of It's creations.

Who wrote in the Bible that man was made in God's image? Men.
What a coincidence.....




AC

[selussos]

And His name is Jesus.


The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. - Philemon 1:25(NIV)

[Alexander Arnakis]

Post by selussos
And His name is Jesus.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. - Philemon 1:25(NIV)

Unlike God the Father, who is pure spirit, Christ *is* a person -- a
human person. Whether He is also more than a human person is a subject
for theological debate.

[The Last Church]

Post by Eliyahu
Who is the God of Israel? The God of Abraham,

God is Spirit. And Christianity nor Israel own or control access to
same. There is only one God children, learn to share.

Christ says if you want to know the spirit that is God you must first
know yourself, in depth.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship God the spirit in truth:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
in their spirit and in truth.


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[Alan Connor]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:08:48 GMT, The Last Church <***@frontiernet.net> wrote:

Oops...I deleted the rest of this without seeing it.

AC

[The Last Church]

Oops...I deleted the rest of this without seeing it.>
AC

Well here let me help you;


God is Spirit. And Christianity nor Israel own or control access to
same. There is only one God children, learn to share.

Christ says if you want to know the spirit that is God you must first
know yourself, in depth.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship God the spirit in truth:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
in their spirit and in truth.


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[Alan Connor]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:47:15 GMT, The Last Church <***@frontiernet.net> wrote:

Ditto

Oops...I deleted the rest of this without seeing it.>

Ditto

(trolls are SO predictable)

AC

[The Last Church]

And that's where you're wrong. The mystery cults did not have the story of
Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

That is where you are wrong. Many of them have the same story of the
son of God coming to earth to save the world... You will find them
listed at the bottom of this post and Buddha is only one of them.

Is the God of Moses real?

Moses himself is not real. That story was first written in egyptian
because the Jew had no written language at the time. That story and
ones like it had been floating around the Nile,sense crocodiles first
laid and egg.

"Orthodox Christians assembled the Bible not to bring all the gospels
together, but rather to hide the truth. From the plethora of Christian
gospels, Bishop Irenaeus compiled the first list of biblical writings
that resemble today's New Testament around 180 C.E. By 393 and 397,
Bishop Athanasius had a similar list ratified by the Church councils
of Hippo and Carthage. By prohibiting and burning any other writings,
the Catholic Church eventually gave the impression that this Bible and
its four canonized Gospels represented the only original Christian
view. And yet, as late as 450, Theodore of Cyrrhus said that there
were at least 200 different gospels circulating in his own diocese.
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia now admits that the "idea of a complete
and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the
beginning... has no foundation in history."

"You know, it's very interesting to think of the history of
Christianity. During the first five centuries, there were lots of
Christianities, lots of ways of being Christian. And then, in the
period of Theodosius in the fourth century, the only religion allowed
in the Roman Empire was the Christian religion, and the only form of
Christianity allowed in the Roman Empire was the Christianity of
Byzantium's throne."

"From the very first centuries, what was to become Christian orthodoxy
vehemently suppressed those Christians of psychic, shamanic, or
visionary temperament called the Gnostics. The authorities of the
early institutional Church soon established a strict orthodoxy of
doctrine against to which all contrary views were stigmatized as
heretical. When in 313 the Emperor Constantine made Christianity the
official state religion, attempting to syncretize it with various
sun-god cults, Christianity was left to deal with the many cults that
swarmed within the Roman Empire. The monotheistic zeal to convert and
eradicate the diversity of polytheism gave the Church an authoritarian
character that has plagued the West ever since with schisms, councils,
inquisitions, and witch-hunts..."

"It may truly be said that the blackest and bloodiest records that
history can show us are the attacks of the Orthodox Church upon the
Gnostic mystics."

"The persecuted primitive Church of the second century was to become
in the fourth century itself the persecutor, and whereas in the
earlier period Gnostics had been able to engage in theological dispute
with the orthodox, later they were sought out, excommunicated, and
sometimes burnt alive for their heresy."

"... Christians burned down one of the world's greatest libraries in
Alexandria, said to have housed 700,000 rolls. All the books of the
Gnostic Basilides, Porphyry's 36 volumes, papyrus rolls of 27 schools
of the Mysteries, and 270,000 ancient documents gathered by Ptolemy
Philadelphus were burned. Ancient academies of learning were closed.
Education for anyone outside of the Church came to an end..."

"When the great library at Alexandria was ransacked by Christian
fanatics in 387... an inestimable wealth of gnostic literature must
have been destroyed. Until the nineteenth century the main source of
knowledge of Gnosticism was, ironically, in the writings of the Church
Fathers, who in their refutations summarised gnostic texts and often
quoted at length from them.

In the nineteenth and present centuries a number of original gnostic
texts came to light, the most sensational find being an entire library
of fifty-two texts discovered at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt in 1946.
These, scholars later ascertained, had belonged to an ascetic
Christian community which, fearing discovery by the ecclesiastical
authorities and the consequences of being charged with heresy, had
sealed up their forbidden library in a large jar and buried it in the
sand beneath a cliff near their monastery in about the year 360."
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Buddha

Although most people think of Buddha as being one person who lived
around 500 B.C.E., the character commonly portrayed as Buddha can also
be demonstrated to be a compilation of godmen, legends and sayings of
various holy men both preceding and succeeding the period attributed
to the Buddha.
The Buddha character has the following in common with the Christ
figure:

a.. Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the
"Queen of Heaven."
b.. He was of royal descent.
c.. He crushed a serpent's head.
d.. Sakyamuni Buddha had 12 disciples.
e.. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men
from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water.
f.. He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached
"the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness."
g.. He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and
the equality of all.
h.. He was transfigured on a mount.
i.. Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for
three days in hell, and was resurrected.
j.. He ascended to Nirvana or "heaven."
k.. Buddha was considered the "Good Shepherd" the "Carpenter", the
"Infinite and Everlasting."
l.. He was called the "Savior of the World" and the "Light of the
World."
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Horus of Egypt
The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even
contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future
Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and
my Father are one").The legends of Horus go back thousands of years,
and he shares the following in common with Jesus:

a.. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a
cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and
attended by three wise men.
b.. He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he
was 30 years old.
c.. Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes
"John the Baptist."
d.. He had 12 disciples.
e.. He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the
dead.
f.. He walked on water.
g.. Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
h.. He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
i.. He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's
Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the
Word" etc.
j.. He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and
Fish ("Ichthys").
k.. Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of
"Ptah," the "Father."
l.. Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the
Christians duplicated the story.
In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being
held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child"- and
the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, who shares many
qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus
character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical
to the Mithraic version it replaced. Virtually all of the elements of
the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to
doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.
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Mithra, Sungod of Persia

The story of Mithra precedes the Christian fable by at least 600
years. According to Wheless, the cult of Mithra was, shortly before
the Christian era, "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan'
religion of the times."
Mithra has the following in common with the Christ character:

a.. Mithra was born on December 25th.
b.. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
c.. He had 12 companions or disciples.
d.. He performed miracles.
e.. He was buried in a tomb.
f.. After three days he rose again.
g.. His resurrection was celebrated every year.
h.. Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."
i.. He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the
Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."
j.. He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.
k.. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years
before the appearance of Christ.
l.. Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become
Easter, at which time he was resurrected.
m.. His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."
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Krishna of India

The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian
messiah are many. Indeed, Massey finds over 100 similarities between
the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Graves, who includes the various
noncanonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses. It
should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was
"Christna," which reveals its relation to '"Christ." It should also be
noted that, like the Jewish godman, many people have believed in a
historical, carnalized Krishna.

a.. Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One")
b.. His father was a carpenter.
c.. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he
was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.
d.. He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of
thousands of infants.
e.. He was of royal descent.
f.. He was baptized in the River Ganges.
g.. He worked miracles and wonders.
h.. He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.
i.. Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and
love.
j.. "He lived poor and he loved the poor."
k.. He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
l.. In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between
two thieves.
m.. He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
n.. Krishna is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and
was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator,
Universal Word."
o.. He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself
the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father."
p.. He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End,"
("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and
omnipotent.
q.. His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning
"pure essence."
r.. Krishna is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who
will desolate the earth.
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I wonder if Jim can say, "I'm sorry. I was wrong."

AS all can see the jesus story was around thousands of years
before the Christian version. The spirit of Christ has been on the
earth for ever.

. In the mind of Christ,
Michael

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